The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 6 – Meet the Mundings

The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 6 – Meet the Mundings

This new blog about our ancestors is a sort of experiment. I have had very few readers from now, but having lots of readers is beside the point.

One day someone will stumble upon this blog and feel somewhat overwhelmed. This is what happens when someone stumble upon the original Our Ancestors where I posted more than 1500 articles.

Having met the Meteyer family in 1938, the search is on for descendants of the Munding family.

Josephine Munding, Ernest Darius Meteyer’s wife, is seen here with her parents Joseph Munding and Margaret Ritz, and her sister Anna Martha Munding.

Shared by Michael Meteyer’s sister last October, I have been able to find out who were most of these people and write about them a little on Our Ancestors II.

Last week this is what I had written…

I won’t even try to identify all these people nor ask you to count how many you see.

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Do you honestly believe what I had written?

Last week I remembered Grace Kenealy’s niece.

She was found here on Find A Grave…

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150229628/patricia-ann-harris#source

Chances are slim I will ever be contacted by her descendants, maybe one chance in a quadrillion?

Anyway…

What about identifying some ancestors on this group photo? Why not start with the baby Josephine Munding was holding in the spring of 1916 in Rochester, New York.

Tune in next Sunday morning for Season 1, Episode 7 – Ernest Charles Meteyer on Our Ancestors II.

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The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 5 – Still waiting to be remembered

The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 5 – Still waiting to be remembered

Where all this will lead us to I still have no idea and it’s the most exciting part of writing about it.

Twenty-two people were on this photo taken in Rochester in 1938, and some are ancestors still waiting to be remembered.

Michael Meteyer’s sister had shared this photo last October and I have managed to find out were most of these people and write about it on Our Ancestors II.

I won’t even try to identify all these people nor ask you to count how many you see.

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Last week I think I have found one child…

Patricia Kenealy

Patricia Kenealy montage

She was Grace Kenealy’s niece and she is remembered here…

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150229628/patricia-ann-harris#source

As always, always feel free to contact me… It’s always free!

The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 4 – Waiting to be remembered

The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 4 – Waiting to be remembered

Where all this will lead us to I have no idea and it’s the most exciting part of writing about it.

How many people on this photo are waiting to be remembered?

When Michael Meteyer’s sister sent me this photo last October I could not help myself searching who was who. I had to find out who were these people and also write about it on Our Ancestors II.

Of course Michael Meteyer’s sister wanted to know who were these two people she had circled, but I wanted to go all in.

I am sure one day Michael Meteyer will  write something on Our Ancestors II. Readers’ contributions fuel this blog.

Getting back to my question…

So how many people have you counted? It’s much easier than counting how many people are on this one isn’t.

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So how many people have you counted ? Write down your answer in the comment section.

Last week the question was who were the three children in front? I had a few hypotheses.

I think I found one child…

Patricia Kenealy

Patricia Kenealy montage

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The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 3 – Grace Mary Kenealy

The Meteyer Family – Season 1, Episode 3 – Grace Mary Kenealy

Now we all know who were these people except the three children in front.

We “all” know of course if you have been following religiously The Meteyer Family – Season 1.

Identifying the three children might be more difficult since they can’t be Meteyers.

I am almost sure the little girl is the niece of Grace Mary Kenealy who is the young mother sitting with his son Robert Meteyer. As for the two boys I think they might be Grace’s nephews.

At first I thought the children were related to the Mundings. Joseph Munding and Margaret Ritz would have been babysitting their three grandchildren at home but they had forgotten they had to attend a photo session celebrating four generations of Meteyers and Mundings. So they brought the kids along.

One other hypothesis was that they were children of Josephine’s sister, Anna Martha Munding, seen on the extreme right. However she married Wallace J Wolf in 1920 and they only had two children: Rita Elizabeth born in 1921 and Wallace J. Wolf Jr born in 1924. Anna Martha’s kids couldn’t be part of that photo session.

This brings me to my first hypothesis that the three children were a niece and two nephews of Grace Kenealy, Victor Sylvester Meteyer’s wife.

I hope you are still following me with this hypothesis. If you are then be sure to come back next Sunday for Episode 4.

As always, always feel free to contact me… It’s always free!

The Meteyer Family – Season I, Episode 2 – 233, Cartier, Montreal

 

Detective William Murdoch of the Toronto Constabulary Station House 4 is my alter ego on this case. Sometimes when I watched Murdoch Mysteries on Netflix I find it hard to follow his train of thoughts.

I am sure you have the same feeling reading what I have been writing about this photo.

Last Sunday I let my imagination run wild and let my alter ego loose on the trail of 22 people.

He started with the clues Thomas Meteyer’s daughter had written on a photo taken in the Summer of 38, and William Murdoch was able to identify 17 out of 22 people.

No bad isn’t?

But he could have been wrong.

To recap…

Thomas Oscar Meteyer

Ernest Darius Meteyer

Josephine Munding

Paul Arthur Meteyer

David Holloway Meteyer

Clarence John Meteyer

Helen Holloway.

Clara Niquet

Margaret Ritz

 

 

Joseph Munding

Anna Martha Munding

Edith Meteyer

Ruth Meteyer

Ernest Charles Meteyer ? and Catherine Meteyer ?

Victor Sylvester Meteyer

This left him with five people: the young mother, three children in front and the man beside Ernest Darius Meteyer.

One answer was probably found here with the montage William Murdoch had made last week comparing two men who looked so much alike.

This photo was taken in 1914 years in Montreal.

He even had found the address… 233 Cartier Street in Montreal.

When my alter ego compared the two photos he quicky jumped to the conclusion that these were the same man. Jumping to conclusions is not always the best thing to do when you are trying to identify who’s who on old photos.

Looking closely at the 1914 photo, the man on the right, who I first thought was François-Xavier, was in fact his brother Arthur Métayer. Arthur’s moustache was a dead give away.

The old man in the middle had to be my great-grandfather’s father Elzéar Métayer who would have come all the way from Quebec City to visit his son on Cartier street in Montreal.

Maybe he wanted to tell his son Édouard he was sorry he had listened to his second wife who wanted Édouard to go and live with his uncle François-Xavier in Montreal. Well that’s the story Thérèse Métayer, my father’s cousin, had told me in 2010 which led me to believe Elzéar was in the middle.

But I digress…

Who was the man on the left looking so much like the mysterious man next to Ernest Darius Meteyer in 1938?

It was his father Émile Niquet

Clara Niquet was the daughter of Pierre Niquet and Rose-Délima Montmarquet. Her siblings were…

Édouard Niquet 1852–
Alphonsine Niquette 1856–1930
Émile Niquette 1859–1934
Louis Charles Clovis Niquet 1864–1936
Louis Niquette 1867–
Joseph Alfred Olympe Niquet 1870–

Émile Niquette married Geneviève Métayer who was Elzéar, Arthur and François-Xavier’s sister.

Their children were:

Églantine Niquette 1885–1953,

Rose Alma Éva Niquette 1888–1899,

Ernest Niquette 1890–?,

Thérèse Niquette 1895–1976,

Anna Niquette 1896–?,

Émilienne Niquette 1898–1945

Ernest Niquette can only be the man in the 1938 photo. He would have come down all the way from Montreal to Rochester in the Summer of 38 to visit his aunt Clara Niquet and his cousin Ernest Darius Meteyer.

Émile Niquet is the only one my alter ego can think of being on the left…

Next time on the Meteyer Family, who was the young mother with Robert L. Meteyer, and who were the three children in front?

Or will there be a next time?

 

The Meteyer Family – Season I, Episode 1 – Summer of 38

Updated 1 December  2020

This is who I think is Francois Xavier Meteyer beside who I think is Clara Niquet smiling.

There’s nothing wrong with being wrong when you are searching for distant relatives. If you don’t start somewhere, then you won’t find anything.

What’s the best way to start Season 1 of the Metayer family?

With Episode 1 – Summer of 38 of course.

Let’s start here in Rochester. I am sure we are in Rochester, New York, and almost sure it’s late summer 1938.

The world is at peace in the summer of 38…well most of the world.

On this photo, Thomas Oscar Meteyer is posing for a family photo. He’s the tall young man third from the left.

Collection Thomas Oscar Meteyer’s family

Tom has no idea he will find himself six years later sitting in the cockpit of a P-51B at Steeple Morden in England just a few days after D-Day.

– What are you looking at Lieutenant?
– I’m looking at an old photo taken in the summer of 1938 in Rochester with my parents and…

Or Tom has no idea he’ll be flying to Poland in a record hop protecting B-17s…

That newspaper clipping was part of the collection of memorabilia belonging to the family of Thomas Oscar Meteyer.

This is also part of the collection remembering what Tom did in WWII…

Thomas Oscar Meteyer’s daughter had also shared this wedding photo of her father’s parents in 1905.

She had given me permission to share them on Our Ancestors II, and  now she’s most interested in finding out who were all these people on that family photo.

She was hoping someone would help her to identify all of them.

Since we could not wait for someone to find this blog and help her, I had decided to let my alter ego use his little brain cells to solve this case.

Detective William Murdoch of the Toronto Constabulary
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These were the clues Thomas Meteyer’s daughter had written on the photo…

She had of course identified her father.

Thomas Meteyer

She had also circled her father’s parents Ernest Darius Meteyer and Josephine Munding.

Ernest Darius Meteyer

Josephine Munding

Then she had circles two men, one on the left and one on the right.

Who could they be, and who were all the others?

Detective Murdock started with this hypothesis.

Ernest Darius Meteyer and Josephine Munding wanted a photo to be taken so they could celebrate four generations of Meteyers and Mundings.

It would seemed plausible that the two other older persons on the right near Josephine Munding were her parents John Munding and Margaret Ritz.

Since Thomas was on that photo, and had his arm on his someone’s shoulder it was also plausible it was his brother Paul Arthur Meteyer wondering if he should smile or not at the photographer.

Paul Arthur Meteyer

Paul Arthur Meteyer was born on June 6, 1924. Since Thomas was born on September 18, 1918, Thomas would be 19 going on 20 in a few weeks, and his brother Paul would be about 14 years and three months old.

Paul would have put his arm around his nephew David Holloway Meteyer. David was born in 1929 and was the son of Clarence John Meteyer, Thomas and Paul’s older brother.

David’s mother was Helen Hollway. He would have been about 9 years old on this photo making it impossible that that photo was taken in 1933.

David Holloway Meteyer

Clarence John Meteyer

Helen Holloway.

That’s the only possibility that my alter ego can think of that the photo was taken in 1938 if David’s parents were in the back on the right.

These people would have been celebrating four generations of Meteyers: Robert L. Meteyer, born on December 21, 1936, would be sitting on his mother’s lap.

Robert’s paternal grandfather Ernest Darius Meteyer was behind, and Robert’s paternal great-grandmother Clara Niquet would be in front of her son Ernest.

Sadly Clara Niquet died on September 15, 1938. That photo must have been taken earlier in September or even a little before that.

In front of Josephine Munding would be her mother Margaret Ritz.

Margaret Ritz

Behind Margaret Ritz would be Margaret’s husband Joseph Munding.

Joseph Munding

How do I know all this? Both were on this photo taken in 1916 where Margaret Ritz and John Munding were with their daughter Anna Martha Munding in the middle.

Anna Martha would be also on the 1938 photo on the extreme right.

My alter ego figures most of Ernest Darius Meteyer and Josephine Munding’s children were on the 1938 photo.

Edith Meteyer would be on the left of Thomas…

Then Ruth.

This would leave Ernest Charles behind his father, and then Catherine, but has to be validated.

Finally Victor Sylvester Meteyer, Robert L. Meteyer’s father, would be kneeling on the right looking at his boy.

The only one missing would be Norman Meyeter probably the one who had taken that photo.

This leaves us with two unanswered questions: who were the three children in front, and who was the man beside Ernest Darius Meteyer?

The answer is probably here with the montage my alter ego made comparing two men who looked so much alike.

One was taken years earlier in 1914 in Montreal.

To be continued next Sunday…

The Meteyer Family – Season 1 – Who do you think you are…?

Updated 30 April, 2021

This is the first season of Our Ancestors II – The Metayer Family. It will be about remembering a family.

It would be a fitting introduction to the sequel of a blog I had started back in September 2009.

Watching Murdoch Mysteries on Netflix with my wife, and seeing how William Murdoch solves murders by using sometimes elaborate hypotheses, will lead me to do likewise finding who was who on this old family photo I had back in 2010, and seeing for the first time ever a photo of my great-great-grandfather Elzéar Métayer.

The first episodes will be on Ernest Darius Meteyer’s children: Clarence John, Victor Sylvester, Edith, Norman, Irving Louis, Ernest Charles, Thomas Oscar, Catherine, Ruth Leona and Paul Arthur.

We have to start somewhere especially when I found thousands of distant relatives last month with just this simple comment made by Michael Meteyer on the original Our Ancestors.


Hello Pierre,

My father was Thomas Meteyer. His father was Ernest Meteyer, whose father was Francois Frank X Meteyer, who came to the USA as a child. I think he was Edouard’s brother. Frank X’s father, was Jean Metayer…then Augustin, Louis and Jacques. From there I can follow our lineage to Jean Nicolet.

I am 73 now. I didn’t start an ancestry search until recently. The tree you provide was most helpful. Thank you!

My email is …


In 2010 I had met in person my father’s cousin Thérèse Métayer. I had met her twice. Thérèse was a charming lady and she had shared all she knew about her Métayer family.

Among several photos she had shared, there was this mysterious one.

I knew my great-grandfather Édouard Métayer was smiling on the right in the back. His wife Angelina  Renaud in the middle had a little smirk, and their son Joseph with his arms crossed was on the left.

That was easy to put two and two together although Joseph could have been Émile Métayer instead, but I doubt that.

The three men in front had not been identified by Thérèse. I had guessed in 2010 that Elzéar Métayer, who was Édouard’s father, was visiting his son in Montreal.

He had been accompanied by his brother François-Xavier Métayer on the right…

And someone else on the left.

What made sense in 2010 was that Édouard Métayer, according to Thérèse, had lived with his uncle François-Xavier when his stepmother Delphine Chalifour did not want Édouard around the house when she married Édouard’s father. 

Philomène Dupont, Édouard’s mother, had died in 1876 and Elzéar had remarried in 1878.

That was the story my father’s cousin Thérèse had told me. Her father Édouard Junior had probably told her that.

Now that hypothesis seems wrong because of someone’s moustache…

Arthur Métayer

 

Arthur Métayer, Elzéar’s brother, would be on the right.

Francois Xavier Meteyer would then have been instead on the left since he looked so much like the man we see here on the montage I made. 

Was this man Francois-Xavier Meteyer?

That’s what I thought at first and began to construct another elaborate theory until I checked my family tree. Francois-Xavier Meteyer had died in 1932 and he could not have been on a photo taken in 1938.

Then I got this from Michael’s sister… 

and zoomed in…

To be continued next Sunday morning… 

 

Our Ancestors II will be all about remembering

Michael Meteyer told me last week I should start remembering his ancestors with a song.

I can’t make you believe something on Our Ancestors II that might not be true. It would be easy to make up stories but I will never do that.

I am not sure anymore that the man I thought back in 2009 was my great-great-grandfather Elzéar Métayer is the old man in the middle.

In fact I am not sure either that the old man on the right was Michael Meteyer’s great-grandfather François-Xavier Métayer. Having been in contact with Michael led me to rethink my hypothesis.

When I first met my father’s cousin Thérèse in 2009 she had told me many anecdotes about my great-grandfather Édouard Métayer.

Édouard Jr., Thérèse’s father, probably told her many of those anecdotes about his father and how he had died in 1928. Thérèse told me her grandfather Édouard used to sing a song to his grandchildren…

These are the words in French of that song.

Souvenirs d’un vieillard

– 1 –
Petits enfants, jouez dans la prairie
Chantez, chantez le doux parfum des fleurs
Profitez bien du printemps de la vie
Trop tôt, hélas, vous verserez des pleurs.

Refrain
Dernier amour de ma vieillesse
Venez à moi, petits enfants
Je veux de vous une caresse
Pour oublier, pour oublier mes cheveux blancs.

– 2 – (refrain non chanté ici)
Quoique bien vieux j’ai le coeur plein de charmes
Permettez-moi d’assister à vos jeux
Pour un vieillard outragé, plein de larmes
Auprès de vous, je me sens plus heureux.

– 3 –
Petits enfants, vous avez une mère
Et tous les soirs près de votre berceau
Pour elle au ciel offrez votre prière
Aimez-la bien jusqu’au jour du tombeau.

– 4 – (refrain non chanté ici)
En vieillissant, soyez bons, charitables
Aux malheureux prêtez votre secours
Il est si beau d’assister ses semblables
Un peu de bien embellit nos vieux jours.

– 5 – (refrain non chanté ici)
Petits enfants, quand j’étais à votre âge
Je possédais la douce paix du coeur
Que de beaux jours ont passé sans nuage
Je ne voyais que des jours de bonheur.

– 6 –
En vieillissant, j’ai connu la tristesse
Ceux que j’aimais, je les ai vus partir…
Oh! laissez-moi vous prouver ma tendresse
C’est en aimant que je voudrais mourir.

Thérèse told me that her grandfather Édouard Métayer Sr. was weeping while singing that song to his grandchildren…

Was it true?

Now getting back to the old photo…

Was this man Elzéar Métayer, Édouard’s father or I will have to find another explanation for who he was?

My father’s cousin told me another anecdote.

Édouard Métayer Sr. was sent to live with his uncle François-Xavier Métayer in Montreal when his father Elzéar remarried in 1878 after the death of his first wife Philomène Dupont in 1876.

My father’s cousin told me this in 2009. Édouard’s stepmother didn’t want to have Édouard around.

Was it true?

Being in contact with Michael has rekindled my interest with the Métayer family and the song my great-grandfather used to sing to his grandchildren.

That anecdote says a lot about my great- grandfather who was weeping while singing that song to his grandchildren. He must have been a tender human being. He had lost his mother when he was 6 years-old. His stepmother did not want him around the house, he went and lived with his uncle, became a baker in l’Île d’Orléans, then moved to Montreal, became a fireman, got married to the daughter of his fire captain, had children, became a lieutenant in the Montreal fire department in 1911, and in 1915 became a fire captain admired by all his men.

Is this all true or just part of it?

You can read his obituary if you think I am making up all this…

If my memory doesn’t play tricks on me, this is the image I remember seeing when I was a six year-old child visiting his grandmother Juliette on Mentana Street in the 1950s.

I would put my hand in the fire that’s the photo I saw.


Footnote

This is an English translation of the song Édouard was singing his grandchildren when he was an old man.

An Old Man’s Memories

– 1 –
Little children, go play in the meadow
Sing, sing the sweet scent of flowers
Enjoy the spring of life
Too soon, alas, you will cry.

Refrain
Last love of my old age
Come to me, little children
I want you to hug me
So I forget my white hair.

– 2 – (Refrain not sung here)
Although very old, my heart is still young.
Allow me to play your games
For an old man full of tears
With you, I feel happier.

– 3 –
Little children, you have a mother
And every night by your bed
For her in heaven offer your prayer
Love her well until the day of her grave.

– 4 – (refrain not sung here)
As you get older, be good, be charitable
To the less fortunate lend a helping hand
It is so wonderful to assist one’s fellow man
A bit of good embellishes our old age.

– 5 – (refrain not sung here)
Little children, when I was your age
I possessed tender peace of heart
What beautiful cloudless days have passed
I only saw happy days.

– 6 –
As I got older, I experienced sadness
Those I loved, I saw them leave…
Oh! let me prove you my tenderness
Surrounded with love is how I would like to die.

Sunday morning – 25 October 2020 – How to start?

I have asked Thomas Oscar Meteyer’s children how I should start writing about this photo on Our Ancestors II when there are 22 people and each one has its own story to tell.

They already knew who were some of these people besides their father Thomas and their paternal grandparents Ernest Darius Meteyer and Josephine Munding.

I told them their great-grandmother Clara Niquette would also be there sitting in front of Ernest Darius and their other great-grandmother Margaret Ritz, Josephine’s mother, would also be sitting, her husband John Munding standing behind her.

I still don’t know how to start explaining how I have been able to identify everyone except the three children in front.

Collection Thomas Oscar Meteyer’s family

I believe the photo was taken in 1938 not 1933 as Michael had first suggested, and that this family was celebrating four generations. The little boy would be Robert L. Meteyer, born on December 21, 1936. His parents were Victor Sylvester Meteyer and Grace Mary Kenealy. 

But what I did not tell them was that I had been in contact two weeks ago with three more distant relatives. One whose ancestor was Edward Munding, one of Josephine’s brothers, and the other distant relative was John Merkel who has this genealogy website.

http://www.merkelsearch.com/gendata/getperson.php?personID=I24541&tree=tree1

There was also someone else, but I still don’t have permission right now to share how she is related.

This is the exciting part of Our Ancestors II: finding more distant relatives and sharing their old photos if they have some.

So how do we start because I found so much? 

First with this document that I have shared with John Merkel: the act of Francois Xavier Métayer’s baptism dated April 22, 1852?

John had asked me to translate it. This is the original text…

Le vingt-deux avril, mil huit cent cinquante deux, par nous prêtre, curé soussigné, a été baptisé François Xavier, né le même jour du légitime mariage de Jean Métayer, menuisier, et de Angèle Marcoux de cette paroisse. Le parrain a été François Côté, et la marraine Marie Christine Knapp qui ont signé avec nous, le père ayant déclaré ne savoir signer.

François Côté          Marie Christine Knapp

J. Tardif, prêtre curé

Now the translation…

On the twenty-second of April, one thousand eight hundred and fifty-two, by me the parish priest who has signed below, was baptized François Xavier, born the same day of the legitimate marriage of Jean Métayer, carpenter, and Angèle Marcoux of this parish. The godfather was François Côté, and the godmother Marie Christine Knapp who signed with me, the father having declared not knowing how to sign.

François Côté        Marie Christine Knapp

J. Tardif, parish priest

So can anyone tell me how to start writing about the Meteyer family?

Maybe I should start with Robert L. Meteyer’s obituary to find more distant relatives?

 

Meteyer, Robert L.

Henrietta: On June 11, 2012 at age 75 after a long illness. Former employee of WHAM and the Monroe County Department of Social Services.

Predeceased by his parents, Grace and Victor Meteyer.

Survived by his loving wife, Betty; children, Jeffrey (Maria) Meteyer, Brian (Kathleen) Meteyer, Lee Ann (Christopher) Martin; grandchildren, Stephen Meteyer, Julee Martin, Timothy and Catherine Meteyer, Avril King, Erica Meteyer; brother, John (Ellen) Gary; nieces and nephews.


So how do we start when there are 22 people and each one has its own story to tell?

Always feel free to contact me… It’s free!

Sunday morning – 18 October 2020 – Who says genealogy has to be boring?

Collection Thomas Oscar Meteyer’s family

This photo was part of the collection of old photos belonging to the family of Thomas Oscar Meteyer. It was shared two weeks by Thomas Oscar Meteyer’s daughter, and she gave me permission to share it on Our Ancestors II.

She hopes one day someone will be able to help her identify who were all these people.

Who says genealogy has to be boring?

Finding our ancestors and adding them on a piece of paper or putting our research on Ancestry, My Heritage, etc… doesn’t have to be boring when we have old photos to remember our ancestors by.

Reading about them on Our Ancestors II can be quite exciting also.

When I saw this modified photo I just became uncontrollable.

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It was the dopamine effect kicking in, the same effect people have when they are on Facebook or when they are texting on their cellphone while driving. They are just anticipating what is coming next.

Michael’s sister had circled some people. She had identified her grandfather Ernest Darius Meteyer, her grandmother Josephine Munding and, of course, her father Thomas Oscar Meteyer.

But who was this boy on the extreme left she had not circled.

And this couple in the back…

And this older woman?

Was she the same woman next to the young woman, next to the man who was next to Josephine Munding holding a baby?

Was Josephine Munding holding a baby boy or a baby girl?

On this photo, Josephine was standing behind another mother. Who was she and why were all these people gathered around posing for posterity in 1938?

And the three children in front? Who could they be?

Come back next Sunday morning for most of the answers.

In the meantime you can look at these…

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